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=== Leaking exhaust hose (Bosch SMS 5342) ===
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== Leaking exhaust hose (Bosch SMS 5342) ==
  
 
after 10 years of rubbing against the wall when water is pumped out the exhaust hose developed a hole ( appros 2 mm x 1 mm)
 
after 10 years of rubbing against the wall when water is pumped out the exhaust hose developed a hole ( appros 2 mm x 1 mm)
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My attempts with shed-bought exhaust hoses must have led to water getting into the bottom of the machine. Water in the bottom of the dishwasher activates an anti-flood water cutoff  so the bottom of the machine has to be drained   
 
My attempts with shed-bought exhaust hoses must have led to water getting into the bottom of the machine. Water in the bottom of the dishwasher activates an anti-flood water cutoff  so the bottom of the machine has to be drained   
I turned mine onto its side through 90 degrees, anti-clockwise looking from the front ( if you turn it the 'wrong' way something drains or fills and it wont work immediately - I've not idea what !) with a couple of towels underneath it.
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I turned mine onto its side through 90 degrees, anti-clockwise looking from the front (if you turn it the 'wrong' way something drains or fills and it wont work immediately - I've not idea what !) with a couple of towels underneath it.
  
 
When returned to the normal position, it worked !  
 
When returned to the normal position, it worked !  
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SWMBO has taken the old hose to the allotment - something to do with it being the right size for bumble bees to live in.
 
SWMBO has taken the old hose to the allotment - something to do with it being the right size for bumble bees to live in.
  
===Leaking from the rear of the main circulating pump. (Bosch Exxcel SGS43A12GB/42)===
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==Drain / Fill warning light on Miele G645 SC Plus==
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Many Miele dishwashers include a flood prevention (aka "WaterProof") system which is intended to prevent the dishwasher leaking water should something go wrong. They do this using a galvanised metal drip tray fitted in the base of the dishwasher that contains a float switch. If this float switch is activated, it will disable the machine, turn on the warning light and run the drain pump continuously. Hence any leak in the machine will trigger this condition. Also they also use a twin wall fill hose which has the main inlet valve at the end of the hose which connects to the tap, rather than the more common practice of including the main fill valve in the machine itself. This means that even if the inlet hose were to leak, this would also drain into the flood tray via the outer hose and trip the float switch, thus turning off the fill valve and stopping the leak.
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A side effect of this is that even a slow leak in the machine will slowly fill the flood tray, and eventually trip the machine off. Tipping the machine back at an angle to allow the tray to empty (onto the floor!) will often result in it running again for a few washes until the tray fills again.
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There can be a number of places where a leak can occur, however the fault finding process starts in the same way. This is the description of one such fault on a 12 year old machine.
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===Diagnosis===
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# Disconnect the machine from the power
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# Remove the metal strainer over the sump from the inside of the machine. Use a sponge to remove the bulk of the water sat in the sump.
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# Now tip the machine and lay it on its back to expose the underside.
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# Remove the 4 screws holding the bottom tray on.
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Inspection of the inside surface of the tray will usually show evidence of where in the machine the leak is coming from by way of scale deposit or other water marks on the tray. In this case there was a section to the extreme right of the machine (near where the inlet hose terminates) that showed evidence of leakage onto the tray. The hose connection itself looked sound and did not appear to show signs of leakage. So the next process was:
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# Refit the drip tray.
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# Return the machine to the upright position.
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# [[image:Miele600CaseDiagram.png]] <br>Remove the top panel (two screws into the underside of the top panel right at the front of the machine (accessible only with the door open). Once those screws are removed, it can be freed from the remaining screws at the back of the top by sliding forward half an inch an lifting it clear.
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# Remove the right hand side panel (two screws at the top then one at the front, low down and close to the door seal, then another on the back even lower - just above the floor - see items 1, 2, & 3 on diagram).
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# This will reveal the main mixing chamber, with all the hoses connected to the bottom of it, and a solenoid valve about half way up on its left.
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# Connect the machine back to power, and start a wash cycle. 
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In the case of the dishwasher described here, it was then immediately obvious that there was a small leak from  the "hard water" solenoid valve on the left side of the mix vessel.
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'''(the mix vessel is used to run the water softening system in the dishwasher. The valve on the side allows the dishwasher to vary the actual hardness of the wash water by allowing some of the incoming hard water to mix with the softened water it holds in its water softener). '''
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If one then frees the plastic spring clip on the right of the water mixing vessel, and pulls the top of the mix vessel away from the dishwasher a little (note it may be slightly "stuck" to the black sound deadening sheets used all over this inside of the dishwasher). It should now be possible to unclip the electrical coil of the solenoid valve, and slide it off its shaft.
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The shaft plugs into the mix vessel and is retained by a clip. Rotating this clip 90 degrees anticlockwise should allow the shaft assembly and its plunger to be removed. The shaft is sealed to the mix vessel by an O ring. In this machines case, it was this that was leaking. Cleaning the O ring alone did not fix the leak. Neither did a smear of silicone grease. However was possible to effect a temporary repair by winding a few turns of PTFE tape onto the base of the shaft and then refitting the O ring. This pushed it more firmly into the recess when the valve shaft was re-inserted.
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Problem identified, ebay provided the source of a new O ring for 4 euros. Once this arrived one could remove the packing PTFE tape, fit the new O ring (which was noticeably more supple than the old one), and reassemble permanently.
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==Leaking from the rear of the main circulating pump. (Bosch Exxcel SGS43A12GB/42)==
  
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A01.JPG|caption|frame|left|Bosch Exxcel dishwasher, model SGS43A12GB/42. Leaking from the rear of the main circulating pump.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A01.JPG|caption|frame|left|Bosch Exxcel dishwasher, model SGS43A12GB/42. Leaking from the rear of the main circulating pump.]]
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[[image:BoschSGS43A51.JPG|caption|frame|left|And out it came. Give everything a really good clean.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A51.JPG|caption|frame|left|And out it came. Give everything a really good clean.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A52.JPG|caption|frame|left|Here's the outrageously expensive repair kit.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A52.JPG|caption|frame|left|Here's the outrageously expensive repair kit.]]
[[image:BoschSGS43A53.JPG|caption|frame|left|Drive the seal into place with a suitable socket or other tool, screw on the impeller. It should self-tighten, so I wouldn't go mad and graunch it - just finger-tight and then a bit more. Fit the new O-ring. I had a spot of bother reassembling the pump so I used a smear of washing up liquid on the O-ring and it got a lot easier.]]
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[[image:BoschSGS43A53.JPG|caption|frame|left|Drive the seal into place with a suitable socket or other tool, screw on the impeller. It should self-tighten, so I wouldn't go mad and graunch it - just finger-tight and then a bit more. Fit the new O-ring. I had a spot of bother reassembling the pump so I used a smear of washing up liquid on the O-ring and it got a lot easier. Lug A fits into notch B.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A54.JPG|caption|frame|left|Once engaged, twist until it locks. Check this tongue has sprung free so it can't come undone.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A54.JPG|caption|frame|left|Once engaged, twist until it locks. Check this tongue has sprung free so it can't come undone.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A55.JPG|caption|frame|left|OK - time to put it all back together. ]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A55.JPG|caption|frame|left|OK - time to put it all back together. ]]
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[[image:BoschSGS43A65.JPG|caption|frame|left|Refit the wiring - you did note which wires went where, didn't you?]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A65.JPG|caption|frame|left|Refit the wiring - you did note which wires went where, didn't you?]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A69.JPG|caption|frame|left|Refit the earth wire and the balance hook.]]
 
[[image:BoschSGS43A69.JPG|caption|frame|left|Refit the earth wire and the balance hook.]]
[[image:BoschSGS43A70.JPG|caption|frame|left|Refit the float assembly, rememering to install the red stick correctly between the polystyrene float arm and the microswitch. Reconnect the wiring.]]
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[[image:BoschSGS43A18.JPG|caption|frame|left|Refit the float assembly, rememering to install the red stick correctly between the polystyrene float arm and the microswitch. Reconnect the wiring.<br><br>Push its hat back on. Apart from that, as Haynes say, "Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly". I have to say, I found this Bosch machine a pleasure to work on compared to many others. It's well thought out, things fit properly and are (mostly) readily accessible. ]]
[[image:BoschSGS43A71.JPG|caption|frame|left|Push its hat back on. Apart from that, as Haynes say, "Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly". I have to say, I found this Bosch machine a pleasure to work on compared to many others. It's well thought out, things fit properly and are (mostly) readily accessible. ]]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
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Latest revision as of 15:53, 5 May 2017

Leaking exhaust hose (Bosch SMS 5342)

after 10 years of rubbing against the wall when water is pumped out the exhaust hose developed a hole ( appros 2 mm x 1 mm)

the initial repair was by filling the hole with silicone sealant bound down with Duck tape. This lasted approx 8 months. I think it failed because the duck tape was worn away in a similar manner. if doing it again I'd add something to relieve the rubbing ( ?polystyrene block ?)

The generic exhaust hoses from the sheds do not provide a water-tight seal with this model of Bosch dishwasher ( I suspect they don't with any model), even though the inside of the hose looks the same. I needed to order a Bosch-specific replacement.

the hose is held in place by a gripper where it runs through the frame of the machine. I prised it out with a screwdriver adn then removed the old hose. Feed the hose in and mark the position at the outside of the case. Then remove hose, fit gripper and replace. When starting it up it was clear (having gone through 1 cycle and getting stuck with 1 minute to go) that there was no water flowing into the machine.

My attempts with shed-bought exhaust hoses must have led to water getting into the bottom of the machine. Water in the bottom of the dishwasher activates an anti-flood water cutoff so the bottom of the machine has to be drained I turned mine onto its side through 90 degrees, anti-clockwise looking from the front (if you turn it the 'wrong' way something drains or fills and it wont work immediately - I've not idea what !) with a couple of towels underneath it.

When returned to the normal position, it worked !

SWMBO has taken the old hose to the allotment - something to do with it being the right size for bumble bees to live in.

Drain / Fill warning light on Miele G645 SC Plus

Many Miele dishwashers include a flood prevention (aka "WaterProof") system which is intended to prevent the dishwasher leaking water should something go wrong. They do this using a galvanised metal drip tray fitted in the base of the dishwasher that contains a float switch. If this float switch is activated, it will disable the machine, turn on the warning light and run the drain pump continuously. Hence any leak in the machine will trigger this condition. Also they also use a twin wall fill hose which has the main inlet valve at the end of the hose which connects to the tap, rather than the more common practice of including the main fill valve in the machine itself. This means that even if the inlet hose were to leak, this would also drain into the flood tray via the outer hose and trip the float switch, thus turning off the fill valve and stopping the leak.

A side effect of this is that even a slow leak in the machine will slowly fill the flood tray, and eventually trip the machine off. Tipping the machine back at an angle to allow the tray to empty (onto the floor!) will often result in it running again for a few washes until the tray fills again.

There can be a number of places where a leak can occur, however the fault finding process starts in the same way. This is the description of one such fault on a 12 year old machine.

Diagnosis

  1. Disconnect the machine from the power
  2. Remove the metal strainer over the sump from the inside of the machine. Use a sponge to remove the bulk of the water sat in the sump.
  3. Now tip the machine and lay it on its back to expose the underside.
  4. Remove the 4 screws holding the bottom tray on.

Inspection of the inside surface of the tray will usually show evidence of where in the machine the leak is coming from by way of scale deposit or other water marks on the tray. In this case there was a section to the extreme right of the machine (near where the inlet hose terminates) that showed evidence of leakage onto the tray. The hose connection itself looked sound and did not appear to show signs of leakage. So the next process was:

  1. Refit the drip tray.
  2. Return the machine to the upright position.
  3. Miele600CaseDiagram.png
    Remove the top panel (two screws into the underside of the top panel right at the front of the machine (accessible only with the door open). Once those screws are removed, it can be freed from the remaining screws at the back of the top by sliding forward half an inch an lifting it clear.
  4. Remove the right hand side panel (two screws at the top then one at the front, low down and close to the door seal, then another on the back even lower - just above the floor - see items 1, 2, & 3 on diagram).
  5. This will reveal the main mixing chamber, with all the hoses connected to the bottom of it, and a solenoid valve about half way up on its left.
  6. Connect the machine back to power, and start a wash cycle.


In the case of the dishwasher described here, it was then immediately obvious that there was a small leak from the "hard water" solenoid valve on the left side of the mix vessel.

(the mix vessel is used to run the water softening system in the dishwasher. The valve on the side allows the dishwasher to vary the actual hardness of the wash water by allowing some of the incoming hard water to mix with the softened water it holds in its water softener).

If one then frees the plastic spring clip on the right of the water mixing vessel, and pulls the top of the mix vessel away from the dishwasher a little (note it may be slightly "stuck" to the black sound deadening sheets used all over this inside of the dishwasher). It should now be possible to unclip the electrical coil of the solenoid valve, and slide it off its shaft.

The shaft plugs into the mix vessel and is retained by a clip. Rotating this clip 90 degrees anticlockwise should allow the shaft assembly and its plunger to be removed. The shaft is sealed to the mix vessel by an O ring. In this machines case, it was this that was leaking. Cleaning the O ring alone did not fix the leak. Neither did a smear of silicone grease. However was possible to effect a temporary repair by winding a few turns of PTFE tape onto the base of the shaft and then refitting the O ring. This pushed it more firmly into the recess when the valve shaft was re-inserted.

Problem identified, ebay provided the source of a new O ring for 4 euros. Once this arrived one could remove the packing PTFE tape, fit the new O ring (which was noticeably more supple than the old one), and reassemble permanently.

Leaking from the rear of the main circulating pump. (Bosch Exxcel SGS43A12GB/42)

Bosch Exxcel dishwasher, model SGS43A12GB/42. Leaking from the rear of the main circulating pump.
Remove the lid. A sharp blow with the heels of your hands on front corners will slide it backwards and disengage the keyhole slots. The damper weight lifts off, it's not held down by anything.
Remove the filters and salt cap.
Remove the locking ring from the salt neck. Mine just came loose with a gentle tap on a big screwdriver in the notches on the side. Looks like an immersion heater spanner might fit.
Remove the two screws that hold the white clips down, and the two screws that hold down the grey riser foot.
Gently release the clips either side of the riser and lift it clear.
Remove the two screws from the front edges of both side panels. At the rear they are held by plastic bumps - prise them clear, lift up, and then hinge out and down, then unhook from the turnup at the bottom edge.
The anti-syphon riser is just tucked behind the rear top corner moulding.
Un-tuck it and pull upwards to disengage the two pipes on the right from their O-rings.
You can release the waste pipe by depressing this tongue and sliding the retainer out backwards taking the pipe with it. The pipes just pull off the clear anti-syphon thing.
Have a bucket ready to catch all the water and lay the anti-syphon bit over out of the way. Leave the fat O-rings in place, they're safer there and won't fall out.
The hat on the float assembly lifts off. Note the location of the sockets on the microswitches and note the location of the red stick from the disaster float.
Disconnect and lift free. Again, leave the O-ring there. Note that the third hole along has no O-ring and is unused.
As you lift it free, detach the corrugated pipe and retrieve the red stick.
From both sides, remove the lower screw.
And both rear case screws.
On the right side, note the route of the breather pipe and unthread it, clipping it out of the way.
Remove the clear splash-shield and, releasing their retaining latches, disconnect the plugs.
The kick-trim unclips with a sharp tug.
Then the filler panel pulls clear. You have to do this with the door open, and spread the wings slightly to fit round the door.
Each side, remove the screws retaining the metal shield.
Drop the metal shield out of the way. No need to remove it.
Undo screw at a and release earth wire. Store the screw back in the hole.
From both sides, remove the front-facing screw from under the hinge.
Lift the body to disengage the front "legs" from their sockets, then tip forwards and rest on the door. You may need help with this bit to hold the base down so it doesn't try to follow.
Spring the ears on the connectors and pull them from the base.
Push the waste hose aside and undo the wires to the water inlet valve on the rear wall of the base tray.
Detach the remaining waste hose from the anti-syphon wotnot, leaving only the inlet pipe.
Undo the wires from the water-softener and lift it clear. Tip most of the water in it down the drain so it doesn't slosh. Lift the engine assembly from the base tray. Take care not to lose the rubber doughnut from the middle of the tray.
The engine will be full of slops, so tip it all down your front as is traditional.
There's the motor on the left, with the pump on the end of it. There's no need to remove the pump outer casing from the rest of the assembly.
Depress this tongue...
...and turn the motor clockwise.
Once fully unlatched you can pull it free from the housing.
The impeller has an 8mm hex moulded on the front. Lock the motor at the rear with a big screwdriver into the cooling fan fins - GENTLY! It's an ordinary thread, so turn the impeller anti-clockwise to undo it.
It's quite a long thread, but eventually the impeller comes free.
Turn over the rear pump housing and find a socket which just fits in the hole so you can drive the old seal forwards from its recess. Mine took quite a sharp tap.
And out it came. Give everything a really good clean.
Here's the outrageously expensive repair kit.
Drive the seal into place with a suitable socket or other tool, screw on the impeller. It should self-tighten, so I wouldn't go mad and graunch it - just finger-tight and then a bit more. Fit the new O-ring. I had a spot of bother reassembling the pump so I used a smear of washing up liquid on the O-ring and it got a lot easier. Lug A fits into notch B.
Once engaged, twist until it locks. Check this tongue has sprung free so it can't come undone.
OK - time to put it all back together.
Make sure this rubber doughnut is in place - it fits into a recess in the middle of the engine.
As you lower the engine into place, make sure the two rubber suspension loops on the motor hook over their pegs.
Make sure this pipe is retained by this hook. Replace the water softener unit and reconnect its two connectors.
Just check that the three fat O-rings are in place on the water softener.
If you're having trouble reconnecting the mains inlet wires you can release the inlet unit with these two tongues, and slide it sidways to withdraw it and make things easier.
Make sure this rubber sealing ring is present and clean.
Lift the body back onto the base, making sure from inside that the neck of the water softener comes through cleanly.
And that the seal around the big hole in the bottom isn't trapped.
The metal goes inside the seals.
Thread the breather hose through its loop in the base.
Clip the breather up properly.
Refit the wiring - you did note which wires went where, didn't you?
Refit the earth wire and the balance hook.
Refit the float assembly, rememering to install the red stick correctly between the polystyrene float arm and the microswitch. Reconnect the wiring.

Push its hat back on. Apart from that, as Haynes say, "Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly". I have to say, I found this Bosch machine a pleasure to work on compared to many others. It's well thought out, things fit properly and are (mostly) readily accessible.