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==Why have Guttering?== | ==Why have Guttering?== | ||
| − | Gutters direct roof runoff away from the house foundations, and prevent it splashing onto | + | Gutters direct roof runoff away from the house foundations, and prevent it splashing onto [[wall]]s as it falls to the ground. Thus 2 causes of [[damp]] are removed. |
| − | + | Very few houses don't need gutters. Examples are pole suspended buildings, where ground splash occurs below the level of the building. | |
==Maintenance== | ==Maintenance== | ||
===Cleaning=== | ===Cleaning=== | ||
| − | Decaying vegetation builds up in gutters and hoppers, reducing water capacity, then blocking them altogether. Neglecting gutter cleaning may result in interior wet patches on upstairs walls, exterior staining on | + | Decaying vegetation builds up in gutters and hoppers, reducing [[water]] capacity, then blocking them altogether. Neglecting gutter cleaning may result in interior [[Damp|wet patches]] on upstairs walls, exterior staining on [[wall]]s, and in some situations can [[rot]] flat [[roof]]s. (The latter can occur where a gutter draining a pitched roof blocks, and the water lands on an adjoining lower flat roof.) |
| − | Single storey house gutters may be cleaned with a garden trowel. | + | Single storey house gutters may be cleaned with a [[garden]] trowel. |
2 storey house gutters may be cleaned with a J shaped copper pipe pole with a flattened top end to give a water spray. | 2 storey house gutters may be cleaned with a J shaped copper pipe pole with a flattened top end to give a water spray. | ||
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On old houses with open drains and hoppers, the drain grates and hoppers need clearing too. | On old houses with open drains and hoppers, the drain grates and hoppers need clearing too. | ||
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| + | A gutter cleaning robot exists, called 'Looj'. It has to be manually placed in the gutter though. | ||
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| + | Mesh fitted over the gutter prevents leaves entering the gutter. Its available in [[metal]] and [[plastic]]. | ||
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===Painting=== | ===Painting=== | ||
| − | Many types of gutter rely on paint or bitumen to prevent corrosion and failure. | + | Many types of gutter rely on [[paint]] or [[bitumen]] to prevent corrosion and failure. |
===Joints=== | ===Joints=== | ||
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===Lining=== | ===Lining=== | ||
| − | Porous gutter types such as stone rely on lead lining to prevent wetness and freeze-thaw cycle deterioration. Lead linings don't last forever, and relining is needed when the lead pinholes, creating interior wet patches. | + | Porous gutter types such as stone rely on lead lining to prevent wetness and freeze-thaw cycle deterioration. Lead linings don't last forever, and relining is needed when the lead pinholes, creating interior [[Damp|wet patches]]. |
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==Gutter Types== | ==Gutter Types== | ||
===Plastic Guttering=== | ===Plastic Guttering=== | ||
| − | Plastic guttering has the shortest life expectancy of all types due to eventual degradation of the plastics used | + | Plastic guttering has the shortest life expectancy of all types due to eventual degradation of the plastics used. Its [[:Category:Save Money|low price]] and ease of installation has made it very popular. |
The plastic becomes more brittle at low temperatures, and in locations prone to heavy snowfall damage may occur due to loading if the gutter sections are not adequately supported. | The plastic becomes more brittle at low temperatures, and in locations prone to heavy snowfall damage may occur due to loading if the gutter sections are not adequately supported. | ||
| − | Plastic gutter expands in the sun (sometimes making creaking noises). Connecting fittings are designed to allow for such movement, and it is important when fitting guttering to allow for this movement in cutting lengths: the colder the weather when fitting the guttering the shorter it should be cut to allow for expansion when hot (and ''vice versa''). If cut too long expansion | + | Plastic gutter expands in the sun (sometimes making creaking noises). Connecting fittings are designed to allow for such movement, and it is important when fitting guttering to allow for this movement in cutting lengths: the colder the weather when fitting the guttering the shorter it should be cut to allow for expansion when hot (and ''vice versa''). If cut too long, expansion causes strain on the fixing [[screws]] of fittings and/or bowing of gutter sections. If cut too short lengths may pull away from their sealing strips at the fittings causing leaks. |
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Iron downpipes tend to rust through before the gutters, since they are less ventilated. Iron downpipes have a habit of rusting through on the back first, while the sides and front look healthy. An inspection of the guttering system should include a check for this if the house is a century or more old. This can be very difficult to see, even when looking deliberately. A quick feel with a tough glove does the job. | Iron downpipes tend to rust through before the gutters, since they are less ventilated. Iron downpipes have a habit of rusting through on the back first, while the sides and front look healthy. An inspection of the guttering system should include a check for this if the house is a century or more old. This can be very difficult to see, even when looking deliberately. A quick feel with a tough glove does the job. | ||
| − | Gutter sections can be deceptively heavy, and caution is needed in removal. Some iron guttering is much too heavy to handle single handed | + | Gutter sections can be deceptively heavy, and caution is needed in removal. Some iron guttering is much too heavy to handle single handed. |
Iron gutter is heavy enough to kill or cause serious injury and guttering found hanging at an unhealthy angle should not be neglected. | Iron gutter is heavy enough to kill or cause serious injury and guttering found hanging at an unhealthy angle should not be neglected. | ||
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Iron gutter is still in production, and is not as expensive as often assumed. If you're keen to have a gutter that will never need attention in your own lifetime, iron is the prime candidate. | Iron gutter is still in production, and is not as expensive as often assumed. If you're keen to have a gutter that will never need attention in your own lifetime, iron is the prime candidate. | ||
| − | Iron gutter can | + | Iron gutter can't be fitted single handed. Trying to fit iron gutter using ladders is ill advised, the things are just too heavy. Scaffolding and a minimum of 2 people are required for safe work. |
| − | The traditional jointing compound is lime putty. This usually lasts the life of the gutter. | + | The traditional jointing compound is [[lime]] putty. This usually lasts the life of the gutter. |
| − | Iron gutter lasts much longer if recoated with bitumen or paint when necessary. | + | Iron gutter lasts much longer if recoated with [[bitumen]] or [[paint]] when necessary. |
===Aluminium Guttering=== | ===Aluminium Guttering=== | ||
Aluminium gutter has become more popular on prestigious new builds in recent years. Aluminium gutter is custom made to suit the building. This gives it a very neat appearance, with the minimum of joints. | Aluminium gutter has become more popular on prestigious new builds in recent years. Aluminium gutter is custom made to suit the building. This gives it a very neat appearance, with the minimum of joints. | ||
| − | Aluminium is more robust and longer lasting than plastic. Being custom made it is also a lot more expensive. | + | Aluminium is more robust and longer lasting than [[plastic]]. Being custom made it is also a lot more expensive. |
Aluminium gutter has not been around long enough for time to tell, but it seems likely that it will not last as well as iron guttering, which is still in production. | Aluminium gutter has not been around long enough for time to tell, but it seems likely that it will not last as well as iron guttering, which is still in production. | ||
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===Wooden Guttering=== | ===Wooden Guttering=== | ||
| − | Wooden gutter has a life expectancy of around 70 years if suitable timber species are used with a leachproof preservative. Some species with shorter life expectancies are also used. | + | Wooden gutter has a life expectancy of around 70 years if suitable [[timber]] species are used with a leachproof preservative. Some species with shorter life expectancies are also used. |
| − | Correct choice of wood species is necessary. Non-durable timber species are not suitable | + | Correct choice of wood species is necessary. Non-durable timber species are not suitable, and would have very short life if used. |
| − | Wood gutter is traditionally un[[paint]]ed. Painting increases drying times after rain, and can cause rot. Bitumen lining is also used. | + | Wood gutter is traditionally un[[paint]]ed. Painting increases drying times after rain, and can cause [[rot]]. [[Bitumen]] lining is also used. |
There are 3 common forms of wood gutter. | There are 3 common forms of wood gutter. | ||
| − | * \/ shaped gutter, formed by | + | * \/ shaped gutter, formed by [[nail]]ing 2 planks of wood |
* \_/ shaped gutter formed by nailing 3 planks of wood | * \_/ shaped gutter formed by nailing 3 planks of wood | ||
| − | * Moulded gutter profiles formed from a single piece of profiled wood. These may be half round, ogee, or other shapes. When | + | * Moulded gutter profiles formed from a single piece of profiled wood. These may be half round, ogee, or other shapes. When [[paint]]ed these are easily mistaken for iron gutters. |
Wood gutter is considerably more robust and more durable than plastic. Wood gutter is not particularly expensive, and lasts well if designed properly. Some believe it deserves wider use, and that its decline in popularity owes more to popular misconceptions about maintenance than anything else. | Wood gutter is considerably more robust and more durable than plastic. Wood gutter is not particularly expensive, and lasts well if designed properly. Some believe it deserves wider use, and that its decline in popularity owes more to popular misconceptions about maintenance than anything else. | ||
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When replacing wooden gutter on historic buildings, it is generally found that fitting plastic causes a sizeable change in appearance & character, and replacement with wood is generally recommended. | When replacing wooden gutter on historic buildings, it is generally found that fitting plastic causes a sizeable change in appearance & character, and replacement with wood is generally recommended. | ||
| − | Annual cleaning of wood gutters makes more difference to life expectancy than with other types. | + | Annual [[cleaning]] of wood gutters makes more difference to life expectancy than with other types. |
Species used for timber gutters: | Species used for timber gutters: | ||
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===Steel Guttering=== | ===Steel Guttering=== | ||
| − | Galv steel gutters are robust and available in | + | Galv steel gutters are robust and available in large sizes. They are used on commercial developments, where durability and vandal resistance are important. |
Deteriorated steel gutters can cause heavy staining. | Deteriorated steel gutters can cause heavy staining. | ||
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===Copper=== | ===Copper=== | ||
| − | Not a popular type of gutter, expensive and a temptation to thieves. In time it becomes green. Runoff from copper guttering should be drained away remotely, as copper compounds can kill plant life. | + | Not a popular type of gutter, expensive and a temptation to thieves. In time it becomes green. Runoff from copper guttering should be drained away remotely, as copper compounds can kill [[Garden|plant]] life. |
===Stone=== | ===Stone=== | ||
| − | Stone gutter is generally built into the structure of the building, and lead lined. The lining needs replacing eventually when holed, otherwise wet areas appear, and stone begins to deteriorate due to freeze thaw cycles. | + | [[Stone]] gutter is generally built into the structure of the building, and lead lined. The lining needs replacing eventually when holed, otherwise [[Damp|wet areas]] appear, and stone begins to deteriorate due to freeze thaw cycles. |
| − | [[[[ | + | [[[[==''' Do Not lead line stone gutters''' ==]]]] |
| − | ==''' Do Not lead line stone gutters''' ==]]]] | ||
===Concrete=== | ===Concrete=== | ||
===Asbestos=== | ===Asbestos=== | ||
| − | Needs no | + | Needs no [[paint]]ing or routine maintenance. Can become brittle with age. |
===Vitreous enamel=== | ===Vitreous enamel=== | ||
Available in a variety of colours. | Available in a variety of colours. | ||
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==Custom Angles== | ==Custom Angles== | ||
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* Adjusable angle joints are available, but expect to pay £20 or more each. | * Adjusable angle joints are available, but expect to pay £20 or more each. | ||
* Custom angle joints are also available, but cost more. | * Custom angle joints are also available, but cost more. | ||
| − | * Joins of any angle may be DIYed by cutting 2 short lengths of gutter and gluing with PVC cement. | + | * Joins of any angle may be DIYed by cutting 2 short lengths of gutter and gluing with PVC cement. The join can be reinforced with a piece cut from a coupler. |
| + | * slight angles can be accomodated with an ordinary coupler. In some cases using 2 couplers can allow the amount of bend needed. | ||
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===Iron=== | ===Iron=== | ||
===Aluminium=== | ===Aluminium=== | ||
| − | Since each guttering set is custom made, the company | + | Since each guttering set is custom made, the company takes care of this as part of the job. |
===Wood=== | ===Wood=== | ||
| − | Any angle join is easily made in wood. | + | Any angle join is easily made in [[wood]]. |
===Steel=== | ===Steel=== | ||
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==Suppliers== | ==Suppliers== | ||
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===Aluminium=== | ===Aluminium=== | ||
| − | * http://www.rainguard.co.uk/rainwater/castiron/index.cfm | + | * [http://www.rainguard.co.uk/rainwater/castiron/index.cfm Rainguard] |
| − | * http://www.rainclear.co.uk/ | + | * [http://www.rainclear.co.uk/ Rainclear] |
| − | * http://www.rainwater.demon.co.uk/ | + | * [http://www.rainwater.demon.co.uk/ Rainwater] |
* [http://www.dales-eaves.co.uk/nordal_gutter.html Dales] | * [http://www.dales-eaves.co.uk/nordal_gutter.html Dales] | ||
| − | * http://www.gmdpennine.co.uk | + | * [http://www.gmdpennine.co.uk Gmd Pennine] & [http://www.gmdpennine.co.uk/store/gutters here] |
| − | + | * [http://www.guttermaster.co.uk Guttermaster] | |
| − | * http://www.guttermaster.co.uk | ||
===Wood=== | ===Wood=== | ||
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* [http://www.abraingutters.com/ Abrain] | * [http://www.abraingutters.com/ Abrain] | ||
* [http://www.coppercraft.com/drainage.htm Coppercraft] | * [http://www.coppercraft.com/drainage.htm Coppercraft] | ||
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| + | ==Alternatives== | ||
| + | Alternatives are occasionally used on greenhouses etc. | ||
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| + | 2l drink bottles can be topped & tailed and stacked for use as a downpipe. What little info exists on lifespan suggests they don't last well. | ||
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==Please Add== | ==Please Add== | ||
| − | * More about gutter joints & drip prevention, what works & what | + | * More about gutter joints & drip prevention, what works & what doesn't |
* Painting info | * Painting info | ||
| − | * Perhaps some idea of costs | + | * Perhaps some idea of costs |
* Pics of detailing of the gutter types | * Pics of detailing of the gutter types | ||
| − | * Steel gutter | + | * Steel gutter info |
* Wood species | * Wood species | ||
==See Also== | ==See Also== | ||
| − | [[Special:Allpages|Wiki Contents]] | + | * [http://www.ferrocement.com/biofiber_rain_gutter/rain-gutter-1.en.html Burlapcrete guttering] |
| − | + | * [http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Chain+downpipe&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=0C5D841F7E40D8F8ADD18D51DE017D55207FB14B&selectedIndex=4 weird downpipe] | |
| − | [[Special:Categories|Wiki Subject Categories]] | + | * [[Special:Allpages|Wiki Contents]] |
| − | + | * [[Special:Categories|Wiki Subject Categories]] | |
| + | * [https://goo.gl/maps/b5skb79VRN12] | ||
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[[Category:Roofing]] | [[Category:Roofing]] | ||
[[Category:Wood]] | [[Category:Wood]] | ||
| + | [[Category:Basics]] | ||
Latest revision as of 19:13, 10 November 2016
Why have Guttering?
Gutters direct roof runoff away from the house foundations, and prevent it splashing onto walls as it falls to the ground. Thus 2 causes of damp are removed.
Very few houses don't need gutters. Examples are pole suspended buildings, where ground splash occurs below the level of the building.
Maintenance
Cleaning
Decaying vegetation builds up in gutters and hoppers, reducing water capacity, then blocking them altogether. Neglecting gutter cleaning may result in interior wet patches on upstairs walls, exterior staining on walls, and in some situations can rot flat roofs. (The latter can occur where a gutter draining a pitched roof blocks, and the water lands on an adjoining lower flat roof.)
Single storey house gutters may be cleaned with a garden trowel.
2 storey house gutters may be cleaned with a J shaped copper pipe pole with a flattened top end to give a water spray.
3 storey house gutters may be cleaned with ?
On old houses with open drains and hoppers, the drain grates and hoppers need clearing too.
A gutter cleaning robot exists, called 'Looj'. It has to be manually placed in the gutter though.
Mesh fitted over the gutter prevents leaves entering the gutter. Its available in metal and plastic.
Painting
Many types of gutter rely on paint or bitumen to prevent corrosion and failure.
Joints
Plastic guttering is prone to joint failure due to rubber seal deterioration, and due to pulling apart from thermal cycling.
Lining
Porous gutter types such as stone rely on lead lining to prevent wetness and freeze-thaw cycle deterioration. Lead linings don't last forever, and relining is needed when the lead pinholes, creating interior wet patches.
Gutter Types
Plastic Guttering
Plastic guttering has the shortest life expectancy of all types due to eventual degradation of the plastics used. Its low price and ease of installation has made it very popular.
The plastic becomes more brittle at low temperatures, and in locations prone to heavy snowfall damage may occur due to loading if the gutter sections are not adequately supported.
Plastic gutter expands in the sun (sometimes making creaking noises). Connecting fittings are designed to allow for such movement, and it is important when fitting guttering to allow for this movement in cutting lengths: the colder the weather when fitting the guttering the shorter it should be cut to allow for expansion when hot (and vice versa). If cut too long, expansion causes strain on the fixing screws of fittings and/or bowing of gutter sections. If cut too short lengths may pull away from their sealing strips at the fittings causing leaks.
Iron Guttering
Iron gutter can last for over a century, and is the most common originally fitted gutter on Victorian houses. Some iron gutter from the 1800s is still in service, although 1930s gutter can be past end-of-life.
Iron downpipes tend to rust through before the gutters, since they are less ventilated. Iron downpipes have a habit of rusting through on the back first, while the sides and front look healthy. An inspection of the guttering system should include a check for this if the house is a century or more old. This can be very difficult to see, even when looking deliberately. A quick feel with a tough glove does the job.
Gutter sections can be deceptively heavy, and caution is needed in removal. Some iron guttering is much too heavy to handle single handed.
Iron gutter is heavy enough to kill or cause serious injury and guttering found hanging at an unhealthy angle should not be neglected.
Iron gutter is still in production, and is not as expensive as often assumed. If you're keen to have a gutter that will never need attention in your own lifetime, iron is the prime candidate.
Iron gutter can't be fitted single handed. Trying to fit iron gutter using ladders is ill advised, the things are just too heavy. Scaffolding and a minimum of 2 people are required for safe work.
The traditional jointing compound is lime putty. This usually lasts the life of the gutter.
Iron gutter lasts much longer if recoated with bitumen or paint when necessary.
Aluminium Guttering
Aluminium gutter has become more popular on prestigious new builds in recent years. Aluminium gutter is custom made to suit the building. This gives it a very neat appearance, with the minimum of joints.
Aluminium is more robust and longer lasting than plastic. Being custom made it is also a lot more expensive.
Aluminium gutter has not been around long enough for time to tell, but it seems likely that it will not last as well as iron guttering, which is still in production.
Cast Aluminium
This is used as a replacement for cast iron. The weight reduction is useful where access for replacement is difficult.
Wooden Guttering
Wooden gutter has a life expectancy of around 70 years if suitable timber species are used with a leachproof preservative. Some species with shorter life expectancies are also used.
Correct choice of wood species is necessary. Non-durable timber species are not suitable, and would have very short life if used.
Wood gutter is traditionally unpainted. Painting increases drying times after rain, and can cause rot. Bitumen lining is also used.
There are 3 common forms of wood gutter.
- \/ shaped gutter, formed by nailing 2 planks of wood
- \_/ shaped gutter formed by nailing 3 planks of wood
- Moulded gutter profiles formed from a single piece of profiled wood. These may be half round, ogee, or other shapes. When painted these are easily mistaken for iron gutters.
Wood gutter is considerably more robust and more durable than plastic. Wood gutter is not particularly expensive, and lasts well if designed properly. Some believe it deserves wider use, and that its decline in popularity owes more to popular misconceptions about maintenance than anything else.
When replacing wooden gutter on historic buildings, it is generally found that fitting plastic causes a sizeable change in appearance & character, and replacement with wood is generally recommended.
Annual cleaning of wood gutters makes more difference to life expectancy than with other types.
Species used for timber gutters:
- Scots pine, Pitch pine
- Sweet chestnut
- Elm
Steel Guttering
Galv steel gutters are robust and available in large sizes. They are used on commercial developments, where durability and vandal resistance are important.
Deteriorated steel gutters can cause heavy staining.
Non-galvansed steel gutter has much shorter life expectancy.
Copper
Not a popular type of gutter, expensive and a temptation to thieves. In time it becomes green. Runoff from copper guttering should be drained away remotely, as copper compounds can kill plant life.
Stone
Stone gutter is generally built into the structure of the building, and lead lined. The lining needs replacing eventually when holed, otherwise wet areas appear, and stone begins to deteriorate due to freeze thaw cycles. [[==''' Do Not lead line stone gutters''' ==]]
Concrete
Asbestos
Needs no painting or routine maintenance. Can become brittle with age.
Vitreous enamel
Available in a variety of colours.
Custom Angles
Some buildings need gutter joining at other angles than the popular 90 and 135 degrees. Discussion
Plastic
- Adjusable angle joints are available, but expect to pay £20 or more each.
- Custom angle joints are also available, but cost more.
- Joins of any angle may be DIYed by cutting 2 short lengths of gutter and gluing with PVC cement. The join can be reinforced with a piece cut from a coupler.
- slight angles can be accomodated with an ordinary coupler. In some cases using 2 couplers can allow the amount of bend needed.
Iron
Aluminium
Since each guttering set is custom made, the company takes care of this as part of the job.
Wood
Any angle join is easily made in wood.
Steel
Suppliers
Iron
Aluminium
Wood
- Jewson's, York
- Discussion of species
- Redwood gutters
- Howarth Timber (Austin) Ltd 0161 652 5421
- Illingworth Ingham (MCR Ltd) 0161 368 3881
Steel
Copper
Alternatives
Alternatives are occasionally used on greenhouses etc.
2l drink bottles can be topped & tailed and stacked for use as a downpipe. What little info exists on lifespan suggests they don't last well.
Please Add
- More about gutter joints & drip prevention, what works & what doesn't
- Painting info
- Perhaps some idea of costs
- Pics of detailing of the gutter types
- Steel gutter info
- Wood species