Propose rename to ELCB.
- I will create a redirect
--John Rumm 04:36, 13 November 2012 (GMT)
- I was trying to avoid changing the name while people are still reading and commenting based on the link posted to the group.
I'll get back to the other article when I get enough time to do it justice NT 00:42, 13 November 2012 (GMT)
- obsolete: no longer in use or no longer useful
- obsolescent: becoming obsolete
NT 02:26, 14 November 2012 (GMT)
- Obsolete seems about right. They have not been sold or fitted for decades, and no one would recommend their use for anything now.
--John Rumm 17:32, 14 November 2012 (GMT)
That they arent fitted now doesn't make them obsolete.
There are better options, but theyre still in use and rightly so, thus they're obsolescent not obsolete. Obsolete is when it makes no sense to continue to use something. ELCBs arent in that obsolete category. Wooden mains plugs are, bare steel wiring is, 1800s bare slate fuseboards are, Nernst lamps are. Obsolete is when something has no practical use left, usually due to excess run cost or danger. I think the dictionary's clear enough. NT 23:08, 14 November 2012 (GMT)
Depends on your dictionary. For example, dictionary.com:
1. no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression. 2. of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date: an obsolete battleship.
1. no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery
1. no longer in use or in practice. 2 out of date; outmoded.
All of which seem appropriate, so I am content with obsolete, however I don't feel that strongly about it, so change it if it bothers you.
--John Rumm 01:07, 20 November 2012 (GMT)
> dictionary.com: > > 1. no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.
they're still in general use, so doesn't fit that one
- Find me an electrician who still fits them...
> 2. of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date: an obsolete battleship.
they've not been discarded yet, so doesn't fit that one. Outmoded does not equal obsolete.
- "Or outmoded type" and "out of date" - which they are.
> Oxford: > > 1. no longer produced or used; out of date: the disposal of old and obsolete machinery
ELCBs are still widely used, so doesn't fit that one.
- They are no longer produced, and again are out of date.
> Chambers: > > 1. no longer in use or in practice. 2 out of date; outmoded.
Again they're still widely used
- and again, are no longer used (cf no longer in use), and are outmoded.
NT 11:56, 20 November 2012 (GMT)
- Funny thing the English language. I stand by my belief that obsolete is an appropriate word, but as I said, change it it you feel strongly about it.
--John Rumm 19:42, 20 November 2012 (GMT)