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This page is for discussion of the DIY Wiki main page, and the Wiki as a whole.
 
This page is for discussion of the DIY Wiki main page, and the Wiki as a whole.
  
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== Trouble with category pages ==
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Following up from discussion of spam in [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_20080229]] and looking at the current level of spamming I think it's time we protected all the wiki so that only registered users can edit pages.
  
I added a <nowiki>[[Category:Plumbing]]</nowiki> tag to the Plumbing page but when I followed the Category: link at the bottom
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Earlier I had hoped/suggested that keeping the wiki open would encourage casual visitors to start contributing with little edits such as typos, clarifications etc, and maybe move on to becoming more heavyweight contributors. However this doesn't seem to be happening anyway, and the quantity of spam is getting unmanageable.
of the page I got:
 
  
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The quality of the wiki would probably be improved more by having less spam and less work for regulars to do patrolling it, than any notional contribution from unregistered users. Also when/if unregistered users do contribute there's a danger their input may be mistaken for spam and their IP get blocked.
Editing Category:Plumbing
 
From DIYWiki
 
Jump to: navigation, search
 
  
You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet. To create the
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A wiki-wide change is probably a Grunff-config thing. If others (NT, JR) agree I'll ask him to do it.
page, start typing in the box below (see the help page for more info). If
 
you are here by mistake, just click your browser's back button. Preview
 
  
Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data.
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--[[User:John Stumbles|John Stumbles]] 20:37, 29 February 2008 (GMT)
Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging
 
back in.
 
</pre>
 
  
If I just 'Save page' with an empty page and again try to follow the
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OK by me --[[User:John Rumm|John Rumm]] 23:01, 29 February 2008 (GMT)
link I get the same error. However if I create a page with some random
 
text and save that I get correctly directed to the newly created Category
 
page. I can then edit it and delete the random text, save again and I
 
still get to the new page (which is what I want). Odd.
 
  
== Categories ==
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==Mass block==
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Is there any way to block IPs en masse? Any way at all would be a big help here.
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[[User:NT|NT]] 10:36, 9 April 2008 (BST)
  
I find that what turn out to be the useful category headings are often not what I epxected them to be ahead of time. (I manage a few info libraries elsewhere.)
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Alas not that I am aware of.  
  
== Deleting images ==
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We could also do with a global config file change to disable anonymous edits altogether. The policy of setting protection on individual articles to limit edits to registered users only, seems to have worked reasonably well[1] - but it is a bit slow to work through them all. Also it does not stop them creating new articles.
  
I uploaded a bunch of image files for an article then realised I didn't need some of them, but there doesn't seem to be any way to delete them.  
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I am tempted to protect the talk main page and see what happens. It will probably cause them to look for new articles to spam - but we can revert and protect any they find as it happens, so the workload may not be too much. It would certainly cut down the noise and leave them an ever decreasing pool of articles to fiddle with.  
  
They're shown in [[Special:Unusedimages]]
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[1] I have only seen one edit to a protected file - and that was from a user that we had pre-emptively banned anyway. I am not sure how that happened - but it may have been because the user had tried it once before and got a limited duration ban which expired after my permanent ban was set. Perhaps the expiration of the temporary one overrode the permanent one?
  
--[[User:John Stumbles|John Stumbles]] 18:21, 3 January 2007 (GMT)
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--[[User:John Rumm|John Rumm]] 13:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)
  
There are a few redundant articles could be deleted too. Whatever the method, it may be best to delete the how to after its been done!
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<!-- ATTENTION! real contributors - add your contribution before this anti-spam device ...
[[User:NT|NT]] 19:14, 3 January 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
== Revert ==
 
 
 
How do you do a 'revert' then? Could be handy to know.
 
[[User:NT|NT]] 06:07, 4 February 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
 
 
Go to '''history''' and find the version you want to go back to, go into '''edit''' and save it without making any changes to the text (but do fill in the '''Summary''' to say you're reverting it, and why, of course!)
 
 
 
--[[User:John Stumbles|John Stumbles]] 12:15, 4 February 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
Ohh - easy! Thanks.
 
[[User:NT|NT]] 22:08, 4 February 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
== DIY pages on wikipedia ==
 
 
 
There are some middling to bloody-awful DIY related pages on wikipedia which need some work:
 
 
 
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_it_yourself Do_it_yourself] could do with UK-ifying and putting in some decent links (like to here!)
 
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIY_culture DIY_culture]
 
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handyperson Handyperson] <groan>
 
 
 
== Naming & Capitalisation conventions ==
 
 
 
Some time ago I put in the Naming section:
 
<blockquote>
 
When referring to one article from another it helps to have a consistent naming convention. Perhaps we should follow  Wikipedia's naming convention [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions]] especially regarding capitalisation of article names and whether they should be in the singular or plural [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#General_conventions]]
 
</blockquote>
 
However no-one (least of all me :-)) seems to be doing that so maybe we should change this to reflect actual practice which seems to be to Capitalise All  Initials and use plurals for subjects which are a class of things e.g. '''Round Tuits'''
 
 
 
I agree, for one reason or another it hasnt been followed, and its less confusing to stick with what we've got, so thats what I do for now.
 
[[User:NT|NT]] 05:27, 15 February 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
OK I've changed it to reflect more-or-less what we've got now, although what we've got isn't consistent as to whether we capitalise all words in an article name or just the main ones, but wtf, life's too short :-)
 
 
 
--[[User:John Stumbles|John Stumbles]] 11:25, 15 February 2007 (GMT)
 
 
 
== Taking a local copy of the Wiki content ==
 
 
 
Don't let's everyone do this all the time for the sake of the server but this saves copies of most of the useful & interesting pages. It actually fetches '''all''' of the pages then throws away a lot which makes it not very server-friendly.
 
 
 
As well as HTML-formatted article pages it also keeps edit and version pages:
 
* from edit pages you can re-create an article directly from the markup contained in the page's edit box.
 
* version pages show the evolution of articles
 
 
 
  <nowiki>wget -w -r --convert-links http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk --reject '*&section=*','*=Special:*','*&diff=*'</nowiki>
 
 
 
The --convert-links option is supposed to make links within pages work as local copies but that doesn't seem to work for me: urls are of the form
 
  index.php?title=Article_Name
 
Maybe that has something to do with it?
 
 
 
The --reject option prevents wget keeping various pages [http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(wget.info.gz)Types%2520of%2520Files]. The following arguments are regular expressions matching file names:
 
; *&section=*
 
: edit pages for sections of articles (only the edit page for the whole article is kept)
 
 
 
; <nowiki>*=Special:*</nowiki>
 
: [[Special:Specialpages|Special] pages
 
 
 
; *&diff=*
 
: diffs between versions
 
 
 
My wget version is
 
  GNU Wget 1.10.2
 

Latest revision as of 03:14, 3 January 2009

This page is for discussion of the DIY Wiki main page, and the Wiki as a whole.

It also seems to be a favoured place for spammers advertising dodgy pharmaceuticals, fakereplica Rolexes and so on <sigh>

Previous discussions on this page have been Archived


Time to protect pages from spam?

Following up from discussion of spam in Talk:Main_Page/Archive_20080229 and looking at the current level of spamming I think it's time we protected all the wiki so that only registered users can edit pages.

Earlier I had hoped/suggested that keeping the wiki open would encourage casual visitors to start contributing with little edits such as typos, clarifications etc, and maybe move on to becoming more heavyweight contributors. However this doesn't seem to be happening anyway, and the quantity of spam is getting unmanageable.

The quality of the wiki would probably be improved more by having less spam and less work for regulars to do patrolling it, than any notional contribution from unregistered users. Also when/if unregistered users do contribute there's a danger their input may be mistaken for spam and their IP get blocked.

A wiki-wide change is probably a Grunff-config thing. If others (NT, JR) agree I'll ask him to do it.

--John Stumbles 20:37, 29 February 2008 (GMT)

OK by me --John Rumm 23:01, 29 February 2008 (GMT)

Mass block

Is there any way to block IPs en masse? Any way at all would be a big help here. NT 10:36, 9 April 2008 (BST)

Alas not that I am aware of.

We could also do with a global config file change to disable anonymous edits altogether. The policy of setting protection on individual articles to limit edits to registered users only, seems to have worked reasonably well[1] - but it is a bit slow to work through them all. Also it does not stop them creating new articles.

I am tempted to protect the talk main page and see what happens. It will probably cause them to look for new articles to spam - but we can revert and protect any they find as it happens, so the workload may not be too much. It would certainly cut down the noise and leave them an ever decreasing pool of articles to fiddle with.

[1] I have only seen one edit to a protected file - and that was from a user that we had pre-emptively banned anyway. I am not sure how that happened - but it may have been because the user had tried it once before and got a limited duration ban which expired after my permanent ban was set. Perhaps the expiration of the temporary one overrode the permanent one?

--John Rumm 13:24, 9 April 2008 (BST)